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Re: и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца



Написано Bell | Thu, Apr 19 at 06:38am:

В ответ на: и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца posted by Сг on Thu, Apr 19 at 01:21am:

Сг говорит, что,
: Bell говорит, что,
: : Не-а, плохие они рыбоводы. И ваше с ними
: : представление о рынке как о месте, где можно
: : "нагреть всю планету" о многом говорит.
: Саша, это не представление; это уже свершивийся
: факт; если доллар покупают, значит это нужно его
: продавцу :-)

Я вот всегда считал, что если кто-то что-то покупает, то это нужно обоим - и покупателю, и продавцу.

: ну кто выиграл от того, что два года деньги текли
: в Штаты?
: Европа? Япония? ну кто кроме них самих-то?

Многие говорят, что экономике США вреден приток долларов, ты же вот думаешь, что полезен. А я не знаю.

: : В первую очередь - о непонимании, для чего
: : существует рынок и что им в итоге движет.
: : Вера в great fool вообще характерна для известной части
: : институциональной Америки, вот только кислые они
: : какие-то в последнее время ;-)
: но вот багче стали и сильно; это тоже не факт?
: :-))

Конечно, не факт. Кто-то стал богаче, кто-то разорился.

: ответь на простой вопрос: кто выиграл от бума и
: провала за посление два года,
: тогда можно будет продолжить дальше;

Ну, кто поумней или поудачливей или понаглей, те выиграли. На каком-то этапе андеррайтеры выиграли, инсайдеры, венчурные капиталисты. Но в среднем по больнице никто не выиграл, я думаю. Характерно, что уже на пике прошлогоднего роста стали появляться проигравшие. Сорос был в -30%, закрылся Tiger, это из того, что помню.... Сегодня многие компании сидят без заказов уже 1-2 квартала, повальное сокращение рабочих мест. Это может и не проигрыш, но точно не выигрыш.

: : : ну и как бы не обыгрывали народ в казино - ну все
: : : равно не зарастет туда народная тропа; ну никак не
: : : зарастет; и потому что людьми движет жажда легкой наживы,
: : : и потому что пенсионные деньги девать-то все равно
: : : некуда, ну и еще ...
: :
: : Хехе. Чтобы такое утверждать, надо хотя бы иметь
: : представление о текущем состоянии пенсионных счетов.
: специально не интересовался, и про пенс.планы -
: это только было как часть общего неубывающего
: потока и для примера;
: но думаю, что мои знакомые - это вполне
: представиельный срез американского общества;
: могу и ошибаться, конечно;
: никто ничего не сделал со своими пенс.планами: как
: отчисляли деньги, так и отсчиляют,
: и будут отчислять; и в консервативные фонды
: начинают перераспределять средства перед пенсией,
: а до этого держат в агрессивных;

Ну вот, а говорил, что их девать некуда и поэтому они их несут в "казино". Ну в общем да, несли. Ты поинтересуйся их теперешним состоянием. Просто агрессивные фонды упали за последний год на 50-80%

Удачи. Александр.


Все ответы
мрачности на светлом фоне - Сг on Sun, Apr 15 at 11:13am
  Re: мрачности на светлом фоне - VIVA on Mon, Apr 16 at 06:43am
  Ай да Моцарт, ай да сукин сын - Пушкин on Sun, Apr 15 at 4:58pm
    Re: Ай да Моцарт, ай да сукин сын - Очевидец on Sun, Apr 15 at 6:23pm
      Re: эк, вас, робяты, унесло-то -) - Сг on Mon, Apr 16 at 02:24am
        Re: Спустим все же на землю - Игорь on Mon, Apr 16 at 4:15pm
          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Петrович on Tue, Apr 17 at 05:54am
            Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 06:24am
              Re: Спустим все же на землю - Петrович on Tue, Apr 17 at 07:17am
                Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 08:14am
                  Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Wed, Apr 18 at 05:15am
                    Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 07:25am
                      Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Wed, Apr 18 at 09:08am
                        Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 5:34pm
                          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Thu, Apr 19 at 02:43am
                  про шорты и про брокеров - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:17am
                    Re: про шорты и про брокеров - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 06:31am
                      и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца - Сг on Thu, Apr 19 at 01:21am
                        Re: и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца - Bell on Thu, Apr 19 at 06:38am
          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Mon, Apr 16 at 8:31pm
            волатильность и аналитика - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:42am
              Re: волатильность и аналитика - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 05:48am
            Re: Спустим все же на землю - Yug on Tue, Apr 17 at 04:58am
              просто - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:24am
              Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 05:12am
                жаль что на остальные вопросы ответов нет (-) - Yug on Tue, Apr 17 at 08:00am
                  Re: посмотрите, напр. в архиве (+) - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 1:21pm
                    Re: На землю спустились - что видим? - Игорь on Wed, Apr 18 at 11:36am
                      Игорю - Сг on Thu, Apr 19 at 01:44am
                        Re: Следите за институционалами - Игорь on Fri, Apr 20 at 11:07am
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Игорь - Fri Apr 20 11:07:22 2001 on 987779242
                          Re: Следите за институционалами - малоопытный on Fri, Apr 20 at 11:28am
                            малоопытному - Сг on Sun, Apr 22 at 02:34am


 




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