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Re: Спустим все же на землю



Написано Bell | Tue, Apr 17 at 08:14am:

В ответ на: Re: Спустим все же на землю posted by Петrович on Tue, Apr 17 at 07:17am:

Петrович говорит, что,

: : Петрович, по опыту, каким должен быть короткий
: : интерес, чтобы его закрытие вызвало рост, скажем,
: : 10%, 30%
:
: да нет таких закономерностей. Речь о том, что
: short ratio заметно меньше 1 - это
: "нормальная температура". Посмотрите
: годовые графики short ratio для этих бумаг на
: http://www.viwes.com/invest/shorts/query.cgi
: почти у всех максимум был летом-осенью прошлого
: года. Вот я и удивляюсь - столько рассказов об
: обожравшихся медведях, которые вот-вот получат по
: заслугам..... а где эти медведи-то?

Не видно их, согласен. И цифры не подтверждают их. Но еще месяц назад по рынку чувствовалось, что шортят очень сильно, отсюда и возникло впечатление. И главное, помните с каким азартом аналисты даунгрейдили всс? За просто так они обычно не суетятся. Может, на фьючерсах держали шорты. Может, конечно, и показалось.

: Кстати, ни разу не слышал здесь, чтобы кто-то
: упоминал о том, что уже несколько месяцев все
: розничные брокеры как один жалятся на падение
: об'емов заявок, у всех увольнения полным ходом,
: все начинают чаржить неторгующих клиентов за
: содержание счета, переходить на поквартальные
: стейтменты, прекращают вкладывать пустые
: конвертики в письма со стейтментами и
: подтверждениями, увелиивают стоимость
: дополнительных услуг и делают платными услуги,
: бывшие ранее free of charge. Уходят (вылетают?) с
: рынка эти самые домохозяйки и клерки. И кто же
: будет строить новые пирамиды? :o)

Это да. Правда, почему институтам не строить пирамиды при подходящих условиях, строили же. Домохозяек жалко, хотя всегда кто-то скажет, что им лишь дали игру, которой они сами хотели, но все равно жалко. У брокеров дела плохи. Amish с #rustrade был пару месяцев назад на ежегодной Daytrading Expo, делился впечатлениями, говорит трейдерский контингент сильно изменился, нет молодежи со странными горящими глазами, как год назад, в основном остались "старички" лет по 40-50. А брокеры выглядят голодными.

: наличие стабильной короткой позиции такого и
: большего размера очень часто просто так не
: появляется и если это не игры типа фиксации
: прибыли по конвертируемым долговым обязательствам,
: то лучше от таких бумаг держаться подальше.

А если это именно игры по конвертируемым долговым обязательствам, то, вообще говоря, держаться в стороне не обязательно?

: :Вообще, не было бы правильней оценивать
: : его не к дневному обороту, а к float?
: :
:
: Почему это было бы правильней, если речь идет о
: влиянии размера короткой позиции на
: "мощность" short сквиза?

Ну да, именно чтобы объективней оценить мощность этого размера. Просто подумалось, что так может вернее. Хотя дневной оборот связан с float почти однозначно.

Удачи. Александр.


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  Ай да Моцарт, ай да сукин сын - Пушкин on Sun, Apr 15 at 4:58pm
    Re: Ай да Моцарт, ай да сукин сын - Очевидец on Sun, Apr 15 at 6:23pm
      Re: эк, вас, робяты, унесло-то -) - Сг on Mon, Apr 16 at 02:24am
        Re: Спустим все же на землю - Игорь on Mon, Apr 16 at 4:15pm
          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Петrович on Tue, Apr 17 at 05:54am
            Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 06:24am
              Re: Спустим все же на землю - Петrович on Tue, Apr 17 at 07:17am
                Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 08:14am
                  Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Wed, Apr 18 at 05:15am
                    Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 07:25am
                      Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Wed, Apr 18 at 09:08am
                        Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 5:34pm
                          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Dmtr on Thu, Apr 19 at 02:43am
                  про шорты и про брокеров - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:17am
                    Re: про шорты и про брокеров - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 06:31am
                      и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца - Сг on Thu, Apr 19 at 01:21am
                        Re: и чего спорим :-) наверное хотца - Bell on Thu, Apr 19 at 06:38am
          Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Mon, Apr 16 at 8:31pm
            волатильность и аналитика - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:42am
              Re: волатильность и аналитика - Bell on Wed, Apr 18 at 05:48am
            Re: Спустим все же на землю - Yug on Tue, Apr 17 at 04:58am
              просто - Сг on Wed, Apr 18 at 01:24am
              Re: Спустим все же на землю - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 05:12am
                жаль что на остальные вопросы ответов нет (-) - Yug on Tue, Apr 17 at 08:00am
                  Re: посмотрите, напр. в архиве (+) - Bell on Tue, Apr 17 at 1:21pm
                    Re: На землю спустились - что видим? - Игорь on Wed, Apr 18 at 11:36am
                      Игорю - Сг on Thu, Apr 19 at 01:44am
                        Re: Следите за институционалами - Игорь on Fri, Apr 20 at 11:07am
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Игорь - Fri Apr 20 11:07:22 2001 on 987779242
                          Re: Следите за институционалами - малоопытный on Fri, Apr 20 at 11:28am
                            малоопытному - Сг on Sun, Apr 22 at 02:34am


 




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